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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.10 05:07:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:It's an election in which the CPM are totally welcome to say that they don't think most of the candidates are up to the job.
For the record, I don't think most of the candidates thus far are up to the job. Only Kain and Wolf has been seen trying to fix more things. Not saying much against the rest. But How do you conduct a proper election with the ruling party still in a position to influence decision?! Don't call it an election then
That's an easy one, they should be the ones that have been trying to out do us since the CPM has been seated. Remember Community pros are just as influential as any ol CPM member ever could be when it comes to trying to fix face value of the game.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.10 05:11:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:On the one hand, we the players are the only ones qualified to select someone to represent us. After all, those seeking representation should be able to select their representatives. We all want to pick the right people for the job and we all want to be responsible for it. This is a key turning point when we figure out how the masses will be represented for the duration of the DUST514's existence.
On the other hand, we are not qualified to select the "right" representatives. Meaning, it has not been proven how many of us if any are capable of making an informed decision of who can properly represent people that cannot represent themselves. I can't make a list of qualifications a person must have, because I don't know them all. I know a few, and they are debatable. I don't want to vote in an asshat that may possibly steer DUST514 into the ocean, nor do I want to be responsible for it.
My belief is that the current CPM0 should hold a constitutional convention, and write one.
Its called a white paper and we're still shopping for signatures on it.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.10 06:15:00 -
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I will say CPM 1 is going to be... a very interesting term, probably just as interesting, frustrating, difficult, and thankless for entirely different reasons.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:04:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I have no contact with any of the regular posters I see here, In particular any of the guys commenting on CPM status.. I originally purchased the Mercenary Pack to gain access to Closed Beta, Due to the state of gameplay/loading times I didn't get into it much and further on my ps3 system crashed, and I was unable to keep up with the game for a while But basically I have been on Dust a long time and watched it grow into the game we play now, I co-founded my corp, and due to inactivity of others I have stepped up to run it Dead Man's Game is home to several mercenaries who, rose up through the brutal pub matches and constant proto spam, but we have came out stronger due to it I intend on increasing my involvement in Dust514 and I am considering being involved in the upcoming 'elections' that may take place.....
Sometimes it is best to wait, arm oneself and continue to grow base and run for an election further down the road. The best candidates for cpm 1 are the ones that have been trying to unseat the cpm 0 through positive efforts ever since they been seated.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:16:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:What have these efforts been..??? Where can I as a player look and see the difference that they have made..?? I may not have been involved in the CPM0 and I cant claim to be a Forum Warrior, But I am certainly dedicated to the game, and I have committed a lot of time to this game since the beginning ... should this not qualify me as much as these others?? So I look forward to you explaining what these positive efforts have included believe me, this oneself is armed
Judge Ram would be one such persons.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.10 20:22:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I've seen his name mentioned but can you actually explain, what have they done??? what are the positive efforts being made???
Re; Edit from post. sorry about that.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:08:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:So anyone not involved making videos or gaining popularity on forums, probably won't be considered.... that doesn't seem biased at all
I'm not trying to upset anyone here but we need some changes in what has been put forward to CCP and what is being pushed to be implemented..
Video making is not neseecary. Look at myself; I don't do pod casts, videos, run a dust 514 school, or a dust 514 news site or the largest corporation or alliance in the game. Yet despite this, I was a top community pick back then.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.10 21:24:00 -
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TheD1CK wrote:I'm fully aware youtube contains these videos... That has nothing to do with what I am saying, which is certainly not de facing other peoples efforts
Cept that this is like the first day anyone's heard of you mostly. Get you name out. Raise your clout and solidify your foundations.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.10 22:56:00 -
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Go hang out in the cpm chambers then, check out some of the cpm replies there. Read previous CSM minutes they're a great resource. Talk with us in IRC, use the dev finder function and checkmark the cpm button. Though I am afraid I sorta made that feature useless :(
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.11 03:42:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:TheD1CK wrote:I don't post very much on here, but I do keep an eye on the forums and some players know me for my contributions to Matari FW, and Caldari for the 1st 2 weeks of 1.7
What I am afraid of is that the CPM will become what I see on the forums, which is a group of players who gang up on decisions they don't like .... This game's playerbase is getting smaller and if decisions are ran by the 'community' then it will continue to dwindle until the only guys left are the ones who joined the gang
I would like to see a player like myself who has had little connection to past events but a strong interest in the game, be considered for CPM surely this is better then having a pack make choices for all of the playerbase
join irc and have a chat with me. If you can survive me then you an do well on cpm
Lot of truth here, Beers can break quite a few folks and he alone is considerably 'lite' in comparison to the amount of hate, loathe, and frustration the community will throw your way once you're a CPM.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.11 03:43:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:TheD1CK wrote:As I have said, I am only trying to learn more about the role.... Maybe given a chance I could prove more suitable for consideration, but for now I am here to learn
The main thing I want is to be able to trust that these decisions are made wisely
I definitely think we need the CPM election to take into consideration that the forums are a specific subcommunity and not the be all and end all of DUST, however it's difficult to find methods of engaging en masse with the players who aren't on the forum. It's something more thought needs to be put into. Honestly, I think we need social spaces that our mercs can interact with one another in, in game, but that's a dream for a much later date. Keep providing input into the process, though. You're not alone in being concerned that the CPM will become a reflection of an echo-chamber which isn't in the game's best interests.
appox 10%-20% but a good forum warrior can garner far more support than that because important people of corporations and voting blocks read the forums too.
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Iron Wolf Saber
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Posted - 2014.01.12 10:30:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:NAV HIV wrote: How do you conduct a proper election with the ruling party still in a position to influence decision?! Don't call it an election then LOL @ "Ruling party" The idea that we have some "power" to "rule" or "govern" is so ridiculous there's not even any point in addressing it again, too many in this thread and elsewhere have already pointed out that we're an advisory/advocacy group and nothing more. Also, we will absolutely be trying to influence the outcome of the election - but we'll be doing it through all the same means that every other player here has a right to wield. That is, endorsements of qualified candidates and open criticism against candidates that we don't believe are fit to serve. We've all worked waaaaaaaaayyyy too hard to get this far only to have a weak council replace us and not be able to pick up where we left off. If we do our jobs right during the upcoming campaign season, we'll not only be replaced by individuals capable of continuing our work, we'll be replaced by individuals that will do an even better job at this than we have ourselves. I'll be the first to admit that we're not perfect and that there's many talented individuals throughout the community that deserve a chance to outshine our performance. They'll need to be equally fearless, prepared to work like dogs, and prepared for disappointment from CCP that will come in every flavor imaginable. Even during the best of times working with CCP can be stressful and none of us want anyone on the council that isn't capable of sticking out a term to the very end and handing it off to the next group that will do an even better job than CPM1. The CSM has a long tradition of subsequent councils outshining those that come before them, building upon and iterating on the previous year's work and finding ways to improve communications with the community and to deepen their influence on CCP. I certainly hope that this tradition starts this spring with the CPM as well. I won't be running myself, but I'll be around as a resource to those that take our place, and make sure they have what they need to do a killer job. All that to say, don't kid yourself, the CPM is not going to sit on the sideline with tape on our mouths and let a bunch of fools get elected and ruin what we've worked to build. In fact, there's many that have rightfully argued that the CPM-CCP relationship is still in its infancy, which makes electing a strong CPM1 all the more critical. It's not going to take any backroom handshakes or messing with electoral systems to do it though, the election will be more than fair. We simply have an obligation to speak our minds about who is and isn't fit to serve by the very fact that we take the future success of this institution seriously. Oh god another postnaught. Can't you make a post shorter than 10 lines?
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